Advantages and disadvantages of running a bio pellet reactor

Cubbies

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Well I've had a BRS bio pellet reactor sitting around for like a month 1/2 that I won at the swap. I'm just starting to get to it. I did some research and it's kind of confusing me. Mostly everyone says it's good but some say it may be bad. I have a 90G that has been running for about two 1/2 months with a 30 gallon sump.(This is not my first NOR last tank :wacko (2): btw) I don't run anything but an AquaC EV120 skimmer and I use either poly or a sock to catch stuff on the drain chamber. I don't see a thread on our Chicago Reefs about this so I'll start one up for information on the site. I've never been a fan of running stuff Idk why but want to see if this is worth it. What are the advantages and disadvantages of running one? What will it help with? Please don't turn this into an argumental thread. Let's get some knowledge in here. Anyone with experience please do tell.
 
I have been running bio pellet reactor since I set up my current tank,for about 16 months now.Here is my experience so far.I run bio pellets in TLF 550 reactor with MJ 1200 pump.I started with original NP bio pellets and later on mixed in Eco Back pellets.At the beginning started with about third of recommended dosage,about a month later added another third and month later finished adding pellets to full recommended dosage.I have them tumbling very slowly,with the output from reactor going in to intake of my skimmer.It took about two weeks after starting to notice my nitrates going down.I never had a high nitrates problem ,but they were about 10ppm and went down to 5 ppm.After second dose they were down to 0 ppm. My phosphates never showed on Salifert test as well as on Hannah Checker.Second month into ,I noticed all my SPS corals were getting lighter on color.I started to dose amino acids and Lugol's solution.Also started to feed my fish more.In my observation bio pellets strip water of nutrients so effectively that there is a need to dose and feed more to replace some of nutrients that corals obviously need.After two weeks colors were back to normal and very vibrant.Water become crystal clear ,like never before.Also my skimmer started to produce a lot more skimmate. It is very important to have good working skimmer to remove excess bacteria from the reactor.Overall I have very good results with bio pellets.I am able to have more fish load than normally is recommended and have great results with SPS.Important thing is start slowly with smaller dosage and observe and test your water.You don't want to have your nitrates or phosphates fall to quickly,as this is never good for your tank.Another thing is when carbon dosing ( bio pellets is a form of carbon dosing) keep your Alk a little lower, like 7-8 dKH range.When higher you might burn tips of your SPS.I do run carbon in a second reactor as well.Bio pellets do not remove that yellow tint that accumulate in water with time.
 
i wish reactors had a built in backwash like big filter tanks do. i have to "backwash" my tlf reactor every couple days to get a good tumble and loosen the pellets. (i run my reactor backwards).
 
I can't see my self running a bio pellet reactor after a good year with my tank or have a nitrate problem real bad. But I do run GFO with a 29 gal refuge and my readings are with a Hannah Checker at 0.03. (last time checked) Don’t know if this is 3ppm or less than 1ppm :hmmmm2: But I would love to have something that won't have to be changed every month and my favorite method of "KISS".

Also started Kalk with vinegar 15ml (carbon dosing) and have seen o.k. results so far. (1st week of vinegar and 3+ with kalk)

Tagging along with this thread :rockon:
 
I have been running pellets in a tlf reactor for some time now. The reason... I could not get my Nitrates down to zero...as is the aspiration of all who have reefs... Pellets made it possible to eliminate Nitrates from my systems. Only once did I see a small spike. There is a belief that you never need to replace the pellets....just replenish them. I have heard a few folks say that around 6-8 months you should replace 95% of the pellets in order to get the most out of the system. I went a little longer than 8 months and I saw my Nitrates climb a bit. I am now on a six month replacement schedule. Other than occasionally shaking the reactor to make sure there is no clumping….it is really a set and forget system… If you are just doing a slow tumble… you may need more flow. I have read that a vigorous tumble is best.

Now, I been told that the pellets also care for Phosphates….Well in my case...I had....and still have issues with Hair Algae. I was out of town for a few days and bam….the algae took over. I think it was a combination of old T-5 Bulbs at the time, the pellets getting old…and then my wife possibly feeding a little too much. I replaced what needed to be replaced… but I was still not making headway on the hair algae. I have since begun to run a second tlf reactor with GFO. Though my API test have never registered Phosphate levels... I hear they are not the most accurate test... I also hear that if there are any…even super low levels …this can feed the algae. I have also read where the algae will also create it’s own nutrients by collecting food and fish waste. I am hoping that regular replacement of the GFO and some increased in-tank flow will help me get the upper hand on the algae problem. I also know I need to increased my CUC and am planning to replace a Fox Face that did a little carpet surfing…

So, sorry for the long response… In my opinion, for those of you who do not have Nitrate problems...or Phosphate issues... I would not run it… However, if you are challenged with either… then it is a good method to get those parameters under control. I did try Vodka Dosing at one point. That is a royal PIA. I like the KISS method as well.
 
I can't see my self running a bio pellet reactor after a good year with my tank or have a nitrate problem real bad. But I do run GFO with a 29 gal refuge and my readings are with a Hannah Checker at 0.03. (last time checked) Don’t know if this is 3ppm or less than 1ppm :hmmmm2: But I would love to have something that won't have to be changed every month and my favorite method of "KISS".

Also started Kalk with vinegar 15ml (carbon dosing) and have seen o.k. results so far. (1st week of vinegar and 3+ with kalk)

Tagging along with this thread :rockon:

0.03 is less than 1 ppm (actually it is 3% of 1 ppm)
 
I've been running biopellets for about 1.5 years and much of what MMrc said was very similar for me. In the beginning, my nitrates fluctuated between 10-15ppm. I did 30% WC's every 2 weeks. My nitrates were high for the simple reason that I have a decent amount of active fish and I never believed in starving them to maintain 0 nitrates. Keeping my fishes happy & healthy was a trade-off for higher trates. I was not doing anything else except running GAC and had a chaeto farm in my sump. I've researched biopellets extensively (and continue to do so regularly) and most of the "best practices" are anecdotal. However, there are enough people with the same (or similar) results that it is fair to say biopellets work, and they work very well when done properly.

I started with a 2LF 150 Phosban reactor and a Maxijet 900 on my 90G. This pump was only capable of ~ 247gph. The first thing I want to make clear is that the pellets need to tumble VIGOROUSLY. Unlike GFO, these things need to be rockin'!!! I quickly learned that any pump under 300gph is not going to do the trick so I replaced the MJ900 with a MJ1200. The pellets will eventually get weighed down by the bacteria and will start sticking to each other. This will cause them to clump together and this is why most people fail using BP's. If they clump, they don't tumble, if they don't tumble, they don't work. A Maxijet 1200 (or 1100) will be perfect if using a 2LF Phosban Reactor. Just keep in mind when picking a pump to look at the outlet diameter of the pump and make sure it matches the inlet of your reactor. (i.e. a MJ1200 has a 1/2" outlet and the inlet on the 2LF Phosban Reactors is also 1/2". You couldn't use a MJ1800 because its outlet is 3/4" and it won't connect to the 1/2" inlet on the Reactor.) Besides, you wouldn't need that much flow. I know some people who use a 350gph Mag Drive 3 and it is overkill unless you're using on oversized reactor. If you will be using a Phosban Reactor, it is imperative that you remove both black sponge disc filters. These will quickly get clogged with bacteria and slow down the tumble. For $3 you can buy mesh screens to replace the foam sponges and they will not clump. For the sake of making my point...If they clump, they don't tumble, if they don't tumble, they don't work. In the beginning, I used to shake my reactor daily to break up the clumped pellets. Many of the fancy reactors out there have special features that will stir the pellets if they get clumped. Let me tell you, if you have enough flow and take out the sponges, you will NOT need to stir or shake the reactor. Clumping is the biggest complaint people have with pellets or they complain that they don't reduce nitrates (which is because they clump).

You may be wondering why I'm so biased towards the 2LF's Reactors? The reason is simple. Other manufactorers began creating special reactors for pellets so they could make money. I'm not saying that they don't work, just saying that you don't need to stand on your head and recite the alphabet backwards to put on a pair of pants. I'm with Lil Bam Bam and subscribe to the KISS method whenever possible. (That's Keep It Simple Stupid, for those of you wondering.) As a general rule of thumb you can get away with a 150 Phosban reactor up to a 90G tank and should probably consider a 550 reactor over that. However, it really depends on your bioload. Is it a heavily stocked 75G FO tank or a 180G reef with only a few nano fish? If you have a very large FO tank you might even want to look into a specifically designed pellet reactor that can hold more media than the 2LF's.

Let's talk pellets. They typically come in 400-500ml bags and there are many manufacturers. When I first started, I used Vertex. I figured that they were better because they cost more. I now use 2LF's NPX Bioplastics for 2 reasons. First, they appear to be the cheapest and second, I really like their shape. They are small and tear-drop shaped. When I added some of them into the reactor to "top-off" I quickly saw they tumbled much better than the Vertex. Realistically, plastic is plastic is plastic and it probably makes no difference which pellets you want to use. I've also used BRS's and they work fine too. Be your own judge and do your research into pellets. If you find a brand that is documented as superior to the others, please let me know.

When you first begin, you must start with a small amount of pellets. Considering most bags are 400-500ml, you should probably start ~ 150-200ml. (So a little less than half the bag.) After you've begun you will need to wait for the bacteria to seed your pellets before the nitrate reduction begins. Many (most) people don't see any reduction for 1-2 weeks, so give it time and be patient. I, on the other hand, reserve my little amount of patience for cycling new tanks! So I decided to add a bacterial additive to try and seed the pellets quicker. I'm not a chemist and have no proof that it worked, but my nitrates went from 15ppm to 5ppm in 2 days and were at ZERO on day 3. I know of 2 other people who did the same thing with similar results. Now, was it the bacterial additive on its own that reduced the nitrates or was it the biopellets getting a jump start? I have no idea but I stayed at zero thereafter. Once you hit zero, you'll probably want to test the limits of the pellets. Maybe you won't, but I did :) I increased the frequency and quantities of my feedings and they stayed at zero. I started feeding large chunks of Rod's Reef food daily and they stayed at zero. However, I don't recommend doing this, it is not necessary and you'll still have all sorts of nasty detritus floating around. Personally, I found that I was able to maintain a very high bioload in my tank with very healthy SPS, something not historically typical.

Phosphate reduction; in my opinion, the jury is still out on this one. Some of the pellet makers claim that they reduce phosphates. I believe that they do, to an extent. Some pellet makers say you don't need GFO and others say you can use it if you want. Some people eventual report a reduction in phosphates but this seems to take longer (on average) than the nitrate reduction. The assumption is that the bacteria that reduces phosphates takes longer to cultivate. Personally, I decided to get rid of all my macro algae in my sump and just run BP's and GFO & Carbon combined in a 2nd reactor.

As I mentioned before, you'll want to start with a small amount of pellets and let them start working. Give them a few weeks to establish themselves and then you can add more to your reactor. Personally, in my 150 reactor I have never ran more than 300ml of pellets and probably hover around 250ml most often. If you put an entire bag in a 150 reactor, there will not be enough room to tumble and if they don't tumble, they clump....etc. For larger tanks/bioloads the 550 will have ample room for a whole bag of pellets. I've been doing this for 1.5 years and I've only topped-off my pellets a few times, maybe 4 times.

Cubbies, to get back to your post, I also have a BRS Pellet Reactor that I just bought for my new 75 FOWLR. However, it's still sitting in the corner un-used because I only have 1 fish so far and I want the rock and substrate to manage the bioload for now. I'll get it running when I have more fish. From initial inspection it appears to be a high quality little unit for a good price.

I would also like to state that I am in no way trying to tell people that they need to be running BP's. There are many different ways to a acheive an ULNS and if your present setup works for you, great :)
 
I've been running biopellets for about 1.5 years and much of what MMrc said was very similar for me. In the beginning, my nitrates fluctuated between 10-15ppm. I did 30% WC's every 2 weeks. My nitrates were high for the simple reason that I have a decent amount of active fish and I never believed in starving them to maintain 0 nitrates. Keeping my fishes happy & healthy was a trade-off for higher trates. I was not doing anything else except running GAC and had a chaeto farm in my sump. I've researched biopellets extensively (and continue to do so regularly) and most of the "best practices" are anecdotal. However, there are enough people with the same (or similar) results that it is fair to say biopellets work, and they work very well when done properly.

I started with a 2LF 150 Phosban reactor and a Maxijet 900 on my 90G. This pump was only capable of ~ 247gph. The first thing I want to make clear is that the pellets need to tumble VIGOROUSLY. Unlike GFO, these things need to be rockin'!!! I quickly learned that any pump under 300gph is not going to do the trick so I replaced the MJ900 with a MJ1200. The pellets will eventually get weighed down by the bacteria and will start sticking to each other. This will cause them to clump together and this is why most people fail using BP's. If they clump, they don't tumble, if they don't tumble, they don't work. A Maxijet 1200 (or 1100) will be perfect if using a 2LF Phosban Reactor. Just keep in mind when picking a pump to look at the outlet diameter of the pump and make sure it matches the inlet of your reactor. (i.e. a MJ1200 has a 1/2" outlet and the inlet on the 2LF Phosban Reactors is also 1/2". You couldn't use a MJ1800 because its outlet is 3/4" and it won't connect to the 1/2" inlet on the Reactor.) Besides, you wouldn't need that much flow. I know some people who use a 350gph Mag Drive 3 and it is overkill unless you're using on oversized reactor. If you will be using a Phosban Reactor, it is imperative that you remove both black sponge disc filters. These will quickly get clogged with bacteria and slow down the tumble. For $3 you can buy mesh screens to replace the foam sponges and they will not clump. For the sake of making my point...If they clump, they don't tumble, if they don't tumble, they don't work. In the beginning, I used to shake my reactor daily to break up the clumped pellets. Many of the fancy reactors out there have special features that will stir the pellets if they get clumped. Let me tell you, if you have enough flow and take out the sponges, you will NOT need to stir or shake the reactor. Clumping is the biggest complaint people have with pellets or they complain that they don't reduce nitrates (which is because they clump).

You may be wondering why I'm so biased towards the 2LF's Reactors? The reason is simple. Other manufactorers began creating special reactors for pellets so they could make money. I'm not saying that they don't work, just saying that you don't need to stand on your head and recite the alphabet backwards to put on a pair of pants. I'm with Lil Bam Bam and subscribe to the KISS method whenever possible. (That's Keep It Simple Stupid, for those of you wondering.) As a general rule of thumb you can get away with a 150 Phosban reactor up to a 90G tank and should probably consider a 550 reactor over that. However, it really depends on your bioload. Is it a heavily stocked 75G FO tank or a 180G reef with only a few nano fish? If you have a very large FO tank you might even want to look into a specifically designed pellet reactor that can hold more media than the 2LF's.

Let's talk pellets. They typically come in 400-500ml bags and there are many manufacturers. When I first started, I used Vertex. I figured that they were better because they cost more. I now use 2LF's NPX Bioplastics for 2 reasons. First, they appear to be the cheapest and second, I really like their shape. They are small and tear-drop shaped. When I added some of them into the reactor to "top-off" I quickly saw they tumbled much better than the Vertex. Realistically, plastic is plastic is plastic and it probably makes no difference which pellets you want to use. I've also used BRS's and they work fine too. Be your own judge and do your research into pellets. If you find a brand that is documented as superior to the others, please let me know.

When you first begin, you must start with a small amount of pellets. Considering most bags are 400-500ml, you should probably start ~ 150-200ml. (So a little less than half the bag.) After you've begun you will need to wait for the bacteria to seed your pellets before the nitrate reduction begins. Many (most) people don't see any reduction for 1-2 weeks, so give it time and be patient. I, on the other hand, reserve my little amount of patience for cycling new tanks! So I decided to add a bacterial additive to try and seed the pellets quicker. I'm not a chemist and have no proof that it worked, but my nitrates went from 15ppm to 5ppm in 2 days and were at ZERO on day 3. I know of 2 other people who did the same thing with similar results. Now, was it the bacterial additive on its own that reduced the nitrates or was it the biopellets getting a jump start? I have no idea but I stayed at zero thereafter. Once you hit zero, you'll probably want to test the limits of the pellets. Maybe you won't, but I did :) I increased the frequency and quantities of my feedings and they stayed at zero. I started feeding large chunks of Rod's Reef food daily and they stayed at zero. However, I don't recommend doing this, it is not necessary and you'll still have all sorts of nasty detritus floating around. Personally, I found that I was able to maintain a very high bioload in my tank with very healthy SPS, something not historically typical.

Phosphate reduction; in my opinion, the jury is still out on this one. Some of the pellet makers claim that they reduce phosphates. I believe that they do, to an extent. Some pellet makers say you don't need GFO and others say you can use it if you want. Some people eventual report a reduction in phosphates but this seems to take longer (on average) than the nitrate reduction. The assumption is that the bacteria that reduces phosphates takes longer to cultivate. Personally, I decided to get rid of all my macro algae in my sump and just run BP's and GFO & Carbon combined in a 2nd reactor.

As I mentioned before, you'll want to start with a small amount of pellets and let them start working. Give them a few weeks to establish themselves and then you can add more to your reactor. Personally, in my 150 reactor I have never ran more than 300ml of pellets and probably hover around 250ml most often. If you put an entire bag in a 150 reactor, there will not be enough room to tumble and if they don't tumble, they clump....etc. For larger tanks/bioloads the 550 will have ample room for a whole bag of pellets. I've been doing this for 1.5 years and I've only topped-off my pellets a few times, maybe 4 times.

Cubbies, to get back to your post, I also have a BRS Pellet Reactor that I just bought for my new 75 FOWLR. However, it's still sitting in the corner un-used because I only have 1 fish so far and I want the rock and substrate to manage the bioload for now. I'll get it running when I have more fish. From initial inspection it appears to be a high quality little unit for a good price.

I would also like to state that I am in no way trying to tell people that they need to be running BP's. There are many different ways to a acheive an ULNS and if your present setup works for you, great :)

Very good info Eric,thanks for sharing.
 
thanks guys i ended up using what i had at hand. I use some needle point mesh doubled up on the output. i got a couple pellets that went through but its no big deal. It made a huge difference. thanks again.
 
thanks guys i ended up using what i had at hand. I use some needle point mesh doubled up on the output. i got a couple pellets that went through but its no big deal. It made a huge difference. thanks again.

Yep, needle point mesh. I knew the stuff 2Lf sells looked familiar!!!
 
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