Alk swing caused by ph?

superchargedgp

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For he longest time I had a glass top on my cube. I had alk stable with 2 part automated dosing. Last week I took the top off and put on the mesh top. With that change my alk went up over a point and I noticed my digi bleaching/ dying. With the greater gas exchange the ph went up I believe. Would the ph rise cause the alk rise and overdose?
 
I know alk went up for sure I tested that. Never have I tested for the ph.but I have read that glass top suppresses ph. I had alk and ca stable with dosing pump. This is the only thing I can think that caused it. ( the top change). Yes its happening in the 60 cube



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My understanding is a ph rise doesn't affect alkalinity. The alk additive causes a ph rise. Have you checked your calcium? If it's low perhaps that is why your alk is up.
 
When you come over I will let you use my PH tester until you figure it out---just remind me when you come over.
 
if you had glass tops on your tank and you were dosing alk you would have figured out the correct amount to keep things stable correct ? now you take off the glass tops and you have a greater gas exchange which will raise your pH but if you didn't lower your dosing amount the sudden change in pH can cause a lot of stress ? many people argue not to chase PH but it is still a parameter that in my opinion is critical and still should be stabilized like all the rest ?

just my 2 cents :coffee1:
 
I look to RHF for all reef chemistry questions. This should help your understanding:

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2002/5/chemistry

Here's the applicable part of the rather dense reading:

pH vs. Alkalinity in Reef Tanks
At the start of the last section, it was pointed out that "_there is an exact mathematical relationship between pH and carbonate alkalinity for any aqueous system in equilibrium with the atmosphere_". An important point to keep in mind is that the relationship will be altered slightly if the tank is not in equilibrium with the air. Specifically, reef tanks are often not in equilibrium with the air, making the internal pCO2 for the tank something different than the surrounding air.

For example, tanks using limewater can have a pH value of 8.5 with a total alkalinity of only 3 meq/L. Looking at Figure 2, this puts them off of the theoretical relationship for seawater in ambient air. The fundamental explanation is that the tank is deficient in CO2. In effect, the tank has an internal pCO2 that is more like that for the preindustrial air with 273 ppm CO2 (Figure 2). In this case, driving more CO2 from "normal air" into the water would lower the pH to about 8.2-8.3 while maintaining the same alkalinity.

Likewise, tanks that use calcium carbonate/carbon dioxide reactors often have a pH of 8.0 with an alkalinity of 3 meq/L (or more). Again, that set of values falls off of the theoretical curve shown in Figure 2. In this case, the tank has an artificially high internal pCO2 of more than twice "normal air". Driving more CO2 from the tank into "normal air" would raise the pH to about 8.2-8.3 while maintaining the same alkalinity.

A third way that reef tanks can present unusual combinations of pH and alkalinity is if the tank is in an environment where the ambient CO2 is far from normal. Rarely would such a situation involve reduced CO2, but homes and businesses are frequently elevated with respect to CO2. Such levels as those represented by the 700-ppm line in Figure 2 are frequently encountered by aquarists, especially those living in newer, "tighter" homes (and some have proven this fact to themselves with carbon dioxide detectors). Aquarists that experience chronic low pH despite adequate alkalinity and aeration may do so because their homes have such elevated levels of carbon dioxide. Many of these aquarists have found that the pH of their tanks rises substantially by simply leaving a window near the tank open to permit better exchange with exterior, "normal" air.
 
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