Fish Size vs. Tank Size

EricTheRed

No, I'm not a communist..
I'm looking to get everyone's opinion about a topic of many heated arguements...putting a fish in a tank that is too small for them.

But how do you define what size tank a fish should be kept? There is the obvious situation of a big fish in a small tank, and that is obviously not good nor is it what I'm referring to. I'm talking about putting a small fish in an ample size tank but the fish has the ability to outgrow the tank.

9 years ago when I started keeping sw fish my LFS sold me fish that they knew would eventually outgrow my tank. I knew it and they knew. The plan was always to trade back the fish before they grew too big for my tank and replace them with smaller fish.

As an example, I had a 4" Blue Tang in a 90G tank. Now, I realize that this fish can grow up to 12" and this is why a 180G tank is recommended for this fish. (per Liveaquaria) My train of thought was this...if a 12" Blue Tang should be in a 180G tank, then why wouldn't a 6" one be just as happy in a 90G tank? After all, it's half the fish in half the tank. This logic was shared with me by my LFS when I first got into the hobby and personally, it made (makes) sense to me. The plan was to trade in the Blue before he hit 6". (Unfortunately those were the days before I learned the importance of a QT and he passed from ich :doh:)

So here's the question...Do you think it is acceptable (within reason) to keep a fish in a tank if the tank is smaller than the recommended tank size for the maximum potential size of the fish, assuming that you will relocate the fish to a larger tank before it outgrows your tank?
 
I believe you can have any fish in your tank as long as its not going to suffer from poor water quality or nippy tank mates. Two juvenile clowns can be kept in a tank smaller than 20g with great water quality. They usually stick to a curtain area. A tang or LG angels will need swimming room and territory. Placing even juvenile fish like these can be problematic because they are extremely territorial and grow really fast. A blue hippies tang(dory) can be put in 20g when less than an inch, but will grow over 5 to 6 inches in a year with proper nutrition. Some ppl fall in love and never end up upgrading or trading. Leading to this thread and premature death. IMO; giving a large fish a small home is cruel, but I don't see a problem with reefers trading. It seems to be easy. I sold my clowns in two hours. To be completly fair; we are all cruel in a way. How can you compare the ocean to our tanks? Then again. We could be frying em up instead of loving them. Thanks for the this thread Ericthered.
 
Personally, I agree with it in concept, as long as you have the ability to sell/trade a fish you've grown accoustomed to. Also, there are certainly some fish that this doesn't apply to.

Does anyone completely disagree? I'd really like to hear differing view points.
 
In my experience with my puffer forum, I find folks who purchase fish with the intentions of buying a bigger tank down the road. Then "life" happens & they can't afford a bigger tank & get too attached to the fish to get rid of it.
 
I think it's fine. I think that the length of the tank should be at least 6x that of the fish in question's current size, not maximum size.
 
In my experience with my puffer forum, I find folks who purchase fish with the intentions of buying a bigger tank down the road. Then "life" happens & they can't afford a bigger tank & get too attached to the fish to get rid of it.

Yep, that would be cruel.
 
Very true! A favorite poster here started out at my puffer forum with a Stars & Stripes puffer in a 75g. We convinced him to re-home it, before it got any bigger.
 
Very true! A favorite poster here started out at my puffer forum with a Stars & Stripes puffer in a 75g. We convinced him to re-home it, before it got any bigger.

  1. That was me.
  2. I DID upgrade tanks but...
  3. I didn't like the fish so I re-homed it FOR FREE to a fellow hobbyist with a 300g FOWLR and....
  4. You and your forum (which is now inactive may want to keep up on your books a bit better) convinced me to do nothing.
 
It's amazing at how many people believe that a fish will only grow as big as the tank it is in. This is one of those myths that sticks for no reason. Like flowing glass or sinks draining one way or another depending on which side of the equator you drain it (someone will probably try to say at least one of these is true now). It is such a strange cultural phenomenon that people just choose to believe something with no logic to back it up, especially when the answer to anything is just a few key strokes away. . . This idea of fish only growing to a certain size probably comes from the fish dying when it gets too stressed by the small tank. Most people think goldfish live 2 or 3 months, so they probably never would outgrow a tank. . .
 
I would never buy a fish that was going to outgrow my tank with plans to trade it later. It is for this same reason that I don't believe in leasing cars. It just don't make sense financially. With a side of, i believe it is inhumane, thrown in there for good measure.
 
Yeah, it's actually very unfortunate and cruel when people buy things like purple tangs for 90g tanks or other tangs for 2/3ft cubes because Mr. Saltwater tank does it or they see it on youtube. There are very very few tangs/large angels (even juvies) that would be happy in a 4' tank let alone a small cube.

Unfortunately part of the issue goes back to the LFS who needs to cover costs and will sell a fish even if they know the tank it's going into isn't suitable. Now with online fish purchasing it gets even worst because all the person has to do is click a button and type in their credit card number. I actually turned someone away from one of my LA group buys once because they wanted to put a tang in a small cube.
 
Im with u guys for not putting tangs or large angels in small tanks or eels and sting rays.. But what are ur thoughts on putting pgmy angels in a 15-25 gallon tanks..
 
Im with u guys for not putting tangs or large angels in small tanks or eels and sting rays.. But what are ur thoughts on putting pgmy angels in a 15-25 gallon tanks..

I'm getting one this week for my 28 (cherub). No one seemed to have much trouble with that so far.
 
I was thnking of putting one in a 14 gallon tank either a coral beauty or flame angel.. I've read the requirements for them and thats why i havent got one.. Always wanted one but knw that i cnt since my tank is too small..
 
They will both grow too large. Unlike clowns or firefish they are extremly active and need surface area to graze. A cherub would be fine in a 28g though.
 
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