RO/DI and Booster Pump Experience

gapsaph

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Here's my experience with my RO/DI and my need for a booster pump.

I purchased the 5 Stage RO/DI Standard for $159 from Bulk Reef Supply in order to fill my first 72g saltwater tank. I later figured out that a slow trickle of water droplets (more on that in a minute) was not the desired flow from a 75 gallon per day (gpd) system.

At this point I did not have a pressure gauge and dual TDS monitor which came on the Plus unit, so I added them to my cart which brought me up to the price I would have paid for the 5 Stage Plus system that also includes the Flush Kit. Lesson learned, should have gone for the upgrade in the beginning. :embarassed:
So here's my math and why I decided to also add in the booster pump to this second order:

I timed the speed in which the RO was filling a 12oz cup: (m=minutes, s=seconds, g=gallon)
(10.6x12=128= ounces in a gallon)
(24 x 60=1440 minutes in a day(mpd))

3:41minutes for 12oz in seconds = 221s

221s x 10.6 = 2343 s/g ÷ 60s = 39m/g (minutes per gallon)

1440mpd ÷ 39m/g = 37gpd

So this meant that at my current rate (without a booster pump) I was filling my tank at a flow rate of 37 gallons per day (gpd).​

Now I'm no expert, but my thinking leads me to believe that if I don't have the correct pressure inside the RO membrane some solids could get around the membrane if it is not properly pressurized, and I'm also wasting a lot of water because it just doesn't have the pressure to go through the membrane, so it gets bypassed into the waste water line.


Once I got my pressure guage, TDS monitor, and booster pump it was time for another round of experiments! Man I love this! ...I actually do, I'm a nerd, can you tell?

Ok, so background before the dry math. :sleep: I installed the pressure gauge. My house was pressurizing the RO at 45psi; not too shabby. So now we know at 45psi I was producing 37gpd of water with about 3ppm of TDS (because I just measured it with the TDS monitor; figured I'd skip that installation bit).

The directions for installing the 1/4” Aquatec 8800 Booster Pump *KIT* (purchased from BRS for $140) were very simple. Almost too simple because with electricity, pressure switches, and adjustable screws for pressure, I was left wondering what would happen once I turned it on.

So installation complete, I closed my eyes (not really) and turned on the pump. Immediately the input pressure to the RO spiked to 125psi! WAY TOO HIGH FOR THE 75GPD RO! At that pressure the .6 micron canister sprung a leak. I quickly shut off the pump and decided to try my luck with the bypass screw on the top of the pump. (of which there are no directions anywhere on the manufacturer's website or BRS!)

I turned it back on (still at 125psi, and a leak) and put in the allen key and started turning it counter-clockwise. I could then easily tune down the input pressure to 80psi. This is as low as it will go. Problem solved! No more leak, and a nice steady stream exiting the RO/DI system. Time for the math, I'll do it a bit quicker since you hopefully got used to my weird way of doing math last time.

1:54minutes for 12oz in seconds = 114s

114s x 10.6 = 1208s/g ÷ 60s = 20m/g (minutes per gallon)

1440mpd ÷ 20m/g = 72gpd

So this meant that at my current rate (with a booster pump and input pressure of 80psi) I was filling my tank at a flow rate of 72 gallons per day (gpd). That's almost double what it was earlier at 45psi!​

Also, with a better input pressure and better output, my TDS went down from 4ppm to fluctuating between 0 and 1ppm. That's with an average of 130ppm on the input line.

* A note on the Auto Tank Shutoff switch: there's a tiny allen key screw that you have to turn counter-clockwise in order to get it to shut off at the same time or slightly before the auto shut-off that's built into the RO/DI unit. I had to turn it back about 4-5 complete revolutions to get it to shut off at the correct point. You can see how far backed out the screw is.​

Sorry it took so long to get here, but I can't recommend something without first showing how I got to that way of thinking.

Hope this helps someone! If not, I hope I didn't kill you with boredom from the math!

:ciao:Here's some pictures to make you feel better:

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Sweet setup!

Aghh the student in now the teacher!:hail: great job buddy!! How did the CUC acclamation go? Never got around to making those frags. The wife and I went to Living Sea in Park Ridge and that was great. Driving back in that crazy fat snow was not so cool!

Oh and thanks for the pictures on the thread, couldn't really get a good view because of the consrtuction site!:moil: LOL
 
I put the gauge before hand, because somewhere in the manual it says not to exceed a certain pressure (I don't remember what it is). This way I could make sure I wasn't sending too high a pressure into the filter system.

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I just reread your post, put it before it even enters the first sediment filter, not just the r/o membrane (which sits after the sediment filters).

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So put the pump and gauge before the 1st sediment filter? The problem I am having is the pump is maxing out my gauge "100 p.s.i." plumbed after the 3 sediment filters and before the membrane

and there dont seem to be an adjustment screw on the pump and the gauge is hooked up right after the pump, then I put the gauge after the membrane and switch and was only getting 20 p.s.i.

with the pump on. These things need to come with better instructions!
 
Do you have the CDP 8800 pump? There should be a little silver screw on the end (just like in my picture) that you can turn back and forth with an allen key in order to turn the pump all the way down. Measuring the pressure directly out of my pump I am getting 80psi, which is the lowest mine will go.

I would think that as long as you aren't getting any leaks at that pressure you should be good to go. Might look at the instructions for the RO/DI system you have just to make sure it doesn't have a maximum pressure.
 
Keep the gauge afters the filters and before the membrane. Note the pressure when you have fresh filters. That way you can tell when your filters are starting to get clogged. With the gauge before the filters you wouldn't notice the drop.

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Do you have the CDP 8800 pump? There should be a little silver screw on the end (just like in my picture) that you can turn back and forth with an allen key in order to turn the pump all the way down. Measuring the pressure directly out of my pump I am getting 80psi, which is the lowest mine will go.

I would think that as long as you aren't getting any leaks at that pressure you should be good to go. Might look at the instructions for the RO/DI system you have just to make sure it doesn't have a maximum pressure.

That is not the pump I have, the one I have looks to have no adjustment screw. I have no leaks but am NOT getting the 75 g.p.d. it is supposed to be doing and it takes 2 of 3 days to fill my 40 gallon tub.

Of course mine didn't come with instructions I had to get them online but they said nothing about maximum pressure.
 
Keep the gauge afters the filters and before the membrane. Note the pressure when you have fresh filters. That way you can tell when your filters are starting to get clogged. With the gauge before the filters you wouldn't notice the drop.

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That would work too. The reverse of that is having the guage before the filters and noting an increase in pressure when the filters are clogged. Just different ways to skin the cat. =)
 
Not true. The blockage will drop the pressure after the filters. Nothing will happen pre filter. Let's assume you have a complete blockage. Will the water pressure increase in the entire house increase? It won't. Now if your gauge is in between the pump and filters you might see a change but the pump has a bypass and would not be accurate. Also the pump should be after your filters to protect it.
 
Not true. The blockage will drop the pressure after the filters. Nothing will happen pre filter. Let's assume you have a complete blockage. Will the water pressure increase in the entire house increase? It won't. Now if your gauge is in between the pump and filters you might see a change but the pump has a bypass and would not be accurate. Also the pump should be after your filters to protect it.


So put the pump not only after the pre-filters but after the membrane?
 
I agree with put the pump after the pre-filters, that won't hurt anything (unless the actual RO membrane could be damaged by too high a pressure).

But the reason the whole house water pressure doesn't rise if you have a blockage in your filter that is just being fed from one of your pipes in the house is because the water has elsewhere to go. The water being pressurized by the pump only has one place to go: through the filters (this is just like you blowing on the end of a straw while blocking the other end) so the pressure goes up. Now, the whole house pressure won't go up because it's just like having a tiny hole (the rest of the house and other houses off of the water main) in that straw between the supply (your mouth) and the blockage at the end of the straw.

Pressure gradients. Amazing things!
 
So put the pump not only after the pre-filters but after the membrane?

No definitely don't put the pump after the membrane as well. Look, I've been running my pump for a year before the sediment filters and the RO membrane for a year, and it's been perfect. No pressure drops or increases due to debris. If you move it at all, just move it between the filters and the RO membrane. But that goes against everything I've seen. If you're that worried about sediment, buy a little pre-sediment filter that goes inside the 1/4" tubing before the pump.

You can put the pressure guage between the pump and the whole fillter system, or between the sediment filters and the membrane, or after, just realize if it's not directly after the pump you are not getting a true reading of what the pump is putting out, you're getting the dropped pressure reading after the filters.
 
No definitely don't put the pump after the membrane as well. Look, I've been running my pump for a year before the sediment filters and the RO membrane for a year, and it's been perfect. No pressure drops or increases due to debris. If you move it at all, just move it between the filters and the RO membrane. But that goes against everything I've seen. If you're that worried about sediment, buy a little pre-sediment filter that goes inside the 1/4" tubing before the pump.

You can put the pressure guage between the pump and the whole fillter system, or between the sediment filters and the membrane, or after, just realize if it's not directly after the pump you are not getting a true reading of what the pump is putting out, you're getting the dropped pressure reading after the filters.

Yes, exactly. Something was getting lost in translation lol.

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Dang keyboards! If only we could video teleconference it would be easier! :D

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