Need Help With New Setup

Herbie I dint make that one but mine is like that one built with a 30 gal tank.

Eric I was talking to you on pm but my ? was did you run your closed loop through a second sump A why did you drill a inlet, couldnt you just come off one of the 2 overflows?

Jon I have a new rio 2500 i use now but I also have a rio 1500 I can use both of them.

The main reason I want to run a 2nd sump is for a refuge the one I have now is a mess and the light causes alge in my sock and skimmer I guess to me they are just messy maybe I just need to clean them more. the sponge I have from the fuge to the return gets really dirty and stuff gets all over the teeth it is just a pain to keep.
 
jm23 said:
I would reccomend 2 smaller return pumps rather then one large one. You never know when one will break, this way you can maintain flow through the sump.
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But what if one fails? Then your volume is set up for both pumps running and you'll flood the section that fails. Unless you have a way to cut off the drain if the pump fails, I just can't imagine a way that two return into the DT would work. One will always lag the other and that section will flood.

Here is how I have two sumps set up. I really can't see how this is in any way more dangerous than a single tank. In fact, the ability to completely shut down and remove the fuge increases the overall effectiveness IMHO. Obviously there are many ways to do this stuff, but I really would like to see a design with two pumps that doesn't guarantee a flood eventually (I'm sure I'm just nott picturing it correctly)
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Edit: The fuge is actually on bricks. The tank is only a little tiny bit taller if they were at the same level. The Fuge is an acrylic sump and the return section is a standard 10g. (Waaaay easier to drill the acrylic one in my application) :)
 
Herbie said:
But what if one fails? Then your volume is set up for both pumps running and you'll flood the section that fails. Unless you have a way to cut off the drain if the pump fails, I just can't imagine a way that two return into the DT would work. One will always lag the other and that section will flood.

Here is how I have two sumps set up. I really can't see how this is in any way more dangerous than a single tank. In fact, the ability to completely shut down and remove the fuge increases the overall effectiveness IMHO. Obviously there are many ways to do this stuff, but I really would like to see a design with two pumps that doesn't guarantee a flood eventually (I'm sure I'm just nott picturing it correctly)
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Edit: The fuge is actually on bricks. The tank is only a little tiny bit taller if they were at the same level. The Fuge is an acrylic sump and the return section is a standard 10g. (Waaaay easier to drill the acrylic one in my application) :)
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I agree with Herbie. Another way to supply the fuge is to T-off the return going back to your display. At least this way all of your extra food and surface skim coming from your overflow gets caught in the filter socks then the skimmer. I don't think you would want to pollute your fug. By the time water flows through your sump and to the return section the water has been filtered already. I would gravity drain your fug directly to the baffles that lead to your return. In this case the critters make it one step further into traveling to your main tank.
 
jim1mckenna said:
Herbie I dint make that one but mine is like that one built with a 30 gal tank.

Eric I was talking to you on pm but my ? was did you run your closed loop through a second sump A why did you drill a inlet, couldnt you just come off one of the 2 overflows?

Jon I have a new rio 2500 i use now but I also have a rio 1500 I can use both of them.

The main reason I want to run a 2nd sump is for a refuge the one I have now is a mess and the light causes alge in my sock and skimmer I guess to me they are just messy maybe I just need to clean them more. the sponge I have from the fuge to the return gets really dirty and stuff gets all over the teeth it is just a pain to keep.
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Jim,
I sent you a PM...but the closed loop was it's own entity with a separate pump. This can be turned on or off with know effect on your tank especially if the power turns off. If the pump is on, it's just supplies additional recycled water flow back to the tank.

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Herbie I think you are referring to 2 sumps, with a pump in each. I am referring to 1 sump with 2 pumps in it (or at least both pumps in the same sump). You are right if we are talking two separate sumps. I run 2 pumps in one sump and it works fine, even if one is off.
 
jm23 said:
Herbie I think you are referring to 2 sumps, with a pump in each. I am referring to 1 sump with 2 pumps in it (or at least both pumps in the same sump). You are right if we are talking two separate sumps. I run 2 pumps in one sump and it works fine, even if one is off.
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Ah, then that is simply an excellent and wise redundancy that I had never thought of. I've always know I wouldn't flood when my return fails but that doesn't keep the tank happy. I suppose you could even have both returns coming through one bulkhead into the DT if you had a check valve on each and didn't want another inlet. Pumps are all terminal it's just a matter of time so this sort of solution is always attractive to me. Very interesting indeed.
 
i just use a 55 for a sump and use a 10 gallon tanksfor skimmer sump (where the big pipes drain down into) within it, tools required and keeps constant level for skimmer and eliminates most micro bubbles
 
The thing to remember about a sump that some people get confused is that a sump's purpose is to filter the water not be your main source of flow. In fact the easiest solution to microbubbles is to slow down the flow through the sump allowing them baffles to do their job. The main goal is to provide enough flow for your skimmer to process. I guess if you have filter socks it would make sense that they could process greater amounts of water, but without them, then your only processing a much water as your skimmer can handle. If you want to create a lot of flow through your pumps then a closed loop system is the way to go. Most people however get the majority of their flow from powerheads. If you have the room and can do a closed loop in addition to your sump, I would do it if you are looking to keep an anemone in the future (powerheads + anemone = sushi...of course many people have success with the 2 together, but there is always that risk).
 
I am really thinking about a closed loop for flow instead of power heads because good ones are expediencies. maybe on a couple smaller pump so I can control them for like pulse motion.
 
jim1mckenna said:
I am really thinking about a closed loop for flow instead of power heads because good ones are expediencies. maybe on a couple smaller pump so I can control them for like pulse motion.
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I'd say this is the way to go if you have an empty tank and can plan accordingly. I would reach out to Rod Buehler out in Dekalb to get your tank drilled. He knows what he is doing and has drilled many tanks. A couple of powerheads like Tunze streams or Vortechs in the top corners of your tank pointing at the middle of the tank would also help. Like I said...I had great success with that tank. Take a look

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You don't...but it all depends on two things. First what type of coral you want to keep, if you want SPS you need more flow. Second if you need more flow you need a bigger pump or pumps. Sometimes a combo of the two works best like above, but it is all up to you and what you like the look of and are willing to spend.

jim1mckenna said:
I thought with closed loop i wouldnt need power head?
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If you set up multiple closed loops, you can easily avoid powerheads and utilize loc-line.

You can get 2 6000gph pumps and you'll be more than ok on flow.

Main issue is deciding how you want the water to flow. Figure out if you want a stream, which is my personal favorite (side swooping to other side) or something else.

You can easily make a wave utilizing an oceans motions 4-way as well, pulling water from the back bottom of the tank and using the 4-way to split it side to side. This is also a great way to get a wave motion, or back and forth for your corals.

I drilled 8 holes in my tank for a closed loop already and have no intentions of a powerhead. I also did a DIY rock wall so the loc-line is the only thing that isn't "natural" looking.
 
jm23 said:
Herbie I think you are referring to 2 sumps, with a pump in each. I am referring to 1 sump with 2 pumps in it (or at least both pumps in the same sump). You are right if we are talking two separate sumps. I run 2 pumps in one sump and it works fine, even if one is off.
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Does each pump have its own return?
 
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