Hope Folks got their Starbucks on yesterday!

Here is my last comment and I'm out.

We live in a city where crime is prevalent. It's unfortunate, but its the truth.

Chicago happens to be a city with some of the strictest gun laws. Yet our gun related homicides are always either at the top of the list, or in the top 3.

The argument usually goes like this for both sides: conservative view - well if there weren't such strict gun laws there wouldn't be so many gun related deaths in the city. Liberal view - well its so and so states fault, its straw purchasers fault, etc. I don't agree with either view.

I don't think more guns is the answer, but I also don't think banning them is either. I don't follow either side of the aisle. I like some of the theories from both, but ultimately this country was founded by a group of like minded individuals who hated being under the thumb of England. They came here wanting freedom and the only way to get it was by force.

That is what the constitution is about. Giving us the freedom to live our lives without someone telling us what to do. Is that how it is today? No it is not unfortunately because we've strayed from the ideals set forth by our forefathers. My parents are immigrants. I was born here. They came here as young children. Why did both sets of my grandparents come here? For freedom and opportunity.

I think we all deserve to live our lives as we see fit. The government should do their jobs as intended by the founders of this country. If you want to be an atheist, well dammit, go for it, its your right to follow that path. If you don't feel you need a gun, don't get one. But don't tell me that I don't need one. This is America and its my right to own one. And if our quasi-socialist government feels thats what needs to be done, good luck with that.

I've strayed a bit from the actual topic again, but all of the above is interrelated to the topic at hand, which is removal of a constitutional right. As Herbie mentioned earlier, I would be perfectly fine if all guns were vanquished from the face of the Earth. But I will not be caught needing one and not have it.

I truly hope no one on this forum ever has to deal with any of the situations above. I certainly don't want to take a human beings life. I would love for one of our resident officers to weigh in. They have a very difficult job that I highly respect. They have to deal with stuff like this on a daily basis, and for that, I thank you.
 
I just seen this thread. I am not one to get into a pissing match but I feel it is important to comment on this for a few reasons. I have read this entire thread and I have seen reasons for pro-gun but I have seen no reason for anti-gun. What do you recommend then? Take all the guns away? You will not get all the guns off the streets 100%. They already tried this in Chicago. It simply does not work. People on Michigan Avenue are being robbed. Mobs of degenerates are throwing chairs into peoples car windows at the mall. People's homes are being broken into in the middle of the day or night.

The simple fact is, the criminals already have the guns and use them and you will never stop that. Another simple fact, you have a much better chance of survival by protecting yourself, by any means, as opposed to waiting on the cops. Anybody will have to agree to that. So why ban the guns and you don't see that this has not been working?

Come spend 6 months in the heart of Chicago and tell me how you feel about this subject then.

I served in the Marine Corps and lost tons of friends. Friends and family and people that are gone, defending that constitution that you just disregard because it is not perfect. Yes, it had flaws for it's time but it is still our constitution and the moment we disregard it, we might as well just move to some other country. Talk to someone in Afghanistan or Iraq or most other countries and see what their take on gun control and freedom is.

Don't piss on our constitution or the lives of those that fought to defend it. Especially not without a **** good reason backing up your actions. If one woman can be saved from being assaulted or one person or a child saved from death by the hands of a criminal, then i say it is totally worth it.

The simple fact is, gun control is gone. There was an overwhelming support to pass concealed carry so no, majority of the country does not agree with you.

I am not trying to attack anybody but trampling on our freedoms and constitution hits a hot button with me so please don't take it personal.

If anybody that is anti-gun plans to respond, please be prepared to have a justified reason for why you want to ban guns. "it will make us safer" is a mute point and has been proven to be false already. The criminals will never turn in their guns.

Anybody that has seen the true evil in this world and anybody that has looked through the eyes of some other men to see what the world really contains, will never give up their freedoms or safety. This is not a nice, safe or kind world we live in. I wish it were but we have to face reality.
 
strike2867 said:
I don't need a solution to an imaginary problem. Criminal are not as stupid as you think. They don't prey on the weak, they prey on the stupid.
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So, you gave flak to DD for giving an imaginary solution to an imaginary situation? kinda interesting that you found that pressing enough to comment on negatively with such prejudice but will not entertain the situation possibly pertaining to yourself, "because that would never happen to you".


And yes, criminals are as stupid as I know* and they do spend their time preying on the weak, And the stupid.




-Rick
Federal Firearms Licensee
NRA Pistol Instructor
UT Conceal Weapons Permit Instructor
hopefully soon i'll add on IL CCP instructor (once they get it finalized!)
 
DD said:
If you don't feel you need a gun, don't get one. But don't tell me that I don't need one.

I truly hope no one on this forum ever has to deal with any of the situations above. I certainly don't want to take a human beings life.
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Two very strong and true statements there. The first one is absolutely the entire point to this. We need to stop forcing our opinions on others. Don't tell someone they can't have something because you don't like it or agree with it.

And I think all gun owners feel that they would not want to take a life and that is a very personal and serious question everyone needs to ask themselves before purchasing a gun for defense. However, I can tell you without hesitation, when it comes to that criminals life or yours or your family's, it makes the answer much easier.

As long as I have a breath left in me, I will not let any of my family members be harmed.
 
If you don't feel you need a gun, don't get one. But don't tell me that I don't need one.

I don't own a gun, but that statement there is exactly what our constitution states, the right to bear arms.
 
i think gun people just happen to love starbucks and feel betrayed. just brew your own coffe and really stick it to them. you can make better coffee at home for a fraction of the price.
 
Eh, im not crazy about starbucks, but its just that they didn't bow down to that idiot group to appease them, so they earned my dollars from that.

It takes me about 12hrs to steep my coffee :) and I can drink it while in my boxers. something I rarely do in public
 
I roast and brew myself, but I buy coffee a lot while working too. Home roasted coffee can't be beat.

This is honestly the first time I've agreed with any "social" choice Starbucks has made, lol.
 
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