???? nervous?????

Logan 12 said:
I think most hobbiest are putting too much light into their aquarium.
Click to expand...

My energy engineer at my office figured out that I was putting 1.5X of light into my tank than would be found naturally on the sunniest reefs in the world.

LOL

I am not sure how the clam is surviving under that lighting, so I won't even get into that discussion. Only agreeing that we do have a tendency to hit the tanks with a ton of light. How many cloudy/rainy stormy days do people account for in the hobby by turning their lights off?
 
Logan 12 said:
I'm confused here, why suggest that he must run better lighting if obviously the current lighting is working just fine. Yah PC's are older technology and may cost alot more to run do to bulb cost then lets say T5's. But what works is what works. Just because some people can not wrap their heads around the idea that something that they have heard will not work does not mean that it can work.
Click to expand...

That is simply not true. CF lighting cannot put out the intensity or specturm required to maintain a T. Maxima clam. A Squamosa could get by under CF lighting. Note, he said he's had the clam for only 2 months, this is not long term success.
 
lunacris said:
+1 on lighting for clam.
Click to expand...

I question on how you know what lighting is best or required for a clam to survive. I do not believe you have conducted any experiment or worked with clams in any way to justify what you are saying along with others here. If you have ever went out on a scuba trip and taken par reading of clams in the wild please let me know. On the other hand I have never done any of this either, so I am not qualified to justify that PC lighting is not enough to maintain a healthy clam. I have no idea what there exact lighting needs are to successfully allow them to survive; you know the entire photosynthesis thing and sugar making. But on by what is said I can conclude that obviously the clam is living in these conditions, telling me that it is able to survive in its current ecosystem (glass box). I would suggest that if the clam begins to close or look unhealthy the reefer take action to correct the problem or replace bulbs. But if we are so concerned about the clam, what about all the other living bio mass in the tank? Coral. I would suggest that losing one clam is a much better situation then losing the entire tank. Lighting may be a concern or may be the entire problem all together. From what I have read it seems though to me that water quality is the issue here. But I may be wrong. Hence my reply about pH and how a drop by 1 can have a huge effect on the inhabitance of the tank. I would invest in a RO/DI system get my water in check along with a TDS meter so I know I am making good clean water. Then if that does not clear the situation up I would move onto a light upgrade next.

This is not meant to be an attack on anyone; I am a scientist at heart with a degree in Biological Sciences. I may just look at situations different then others view them. But I have had success, and not saying that you guys have not also shared success either, or you would not be commenting on the situation and how to fix it. Obviously we all care about the inhabitants of the tank and looking for the best situation to save those inhabitants.
 
jcarlilesiu said:
My energy engineer at my office figured out that I was putting 1.5X of light into my tank than would be found naturally on the sunniest reefs in the world.

LOL

I am not sure how the clam is surviving under that lighting, so I won't even get into that discussion. Only agreeing that we do have a tendency to hit the tanks with a ton of light. How many cloudy/rainy stormy days do people account for in the hobby by turning their lights off?
Click to expand...

This is true. I am also most likely putting way to much light in my tank. I have 6 T5 HO's over a 55. I have noticed as the bulbs life deplete over time growth occures better in some species of coral due to the fact the lights are not able to put out the par when new.
 
poidog said:
That is simply not true. CF lighting cannot put out the intensity or specturm required to maintain a T. Maxima clam. A Squamosa could get by under CF lighting. Note, he said he's had the clam for only 2 months, this is not long term success.
Click to expand...

Hmmmm, not sure what to say. I hate typing what I am trying to say in response. It would be alot easier to vocalize it. LOL

I don't disagree with you, lets put it that way. But for his current situation money is an issue. It always is an issue. LOL I would say the best idea is for him to put his money into a RO/DI system rather then a light and buy a new light next or down the road. Do you aggree?
 
What I am getting at is that it is not best for experinced hobbiest like our selves to tell one person how to do something or correct a problem by telling him 20 thousand diffrent ideas on ways to fix a problem. It would be better for only one person to help him correct the problem then leaving him guessing on which of us has the correct view. Or better yet we all agree on what he should do so............. RO/DI system or light? Or other suggestions?

I am also sorry I missed the part about 2 months, Unfortunately that is not enough time to determine if PC is able to support a clam. Sorry for the words above. But now if he had that sucker in there for a year.......... LOL
 
Logan 12 said:
On the other hand I have never done any of this either, so I am not qualified to justify that PC lighting is not enough to maintain a healthy clam. I have no idea what there exact lighting needs are to successfully allow them to survive.
Click to expand...

Then why are you defending your claim that CF lighting is adequate if you have no knoledge to back it up. I am speaking from experience and all of the numerous experience from people in this hobby. I love this quote "Clams do require strong light of the proper spectrum. Just cause the light lights doesn't mean the full spectrum is still there."

Do a google search on lighting for clams, and there are a ton of information out there backing my claim.

I am concearned with all the animals in the OPs tank, and yes water queality is the #1 issue here. However, the OP has given information on another issue, the clam, and we are trying our best to give the best possible advice for the OP and ALL of his livestock.
 
Logan 12 said:
Hmmmm, not sure what to say. I hate typing what I am trying to say in response. It would be alot easier to vocalize it. LOL

I don't disagree with you, lets put it that way. But for his current situation money is an issue. It always is an issue. LOL I would say the best idea is for him to put his money into a RO/DI system rather then a light and buy a new light next or down the road. Do you aggree?
Click to expand...

Yes, I completely agree! but the clam should be re-homed until the proper lighting can be purchased. It is our responsibly, as the hobbyist, to do our research frist to make sure that we can propery care for the animals that entrust us with their lives and well-being.

OP, please give us an update on what your plan of action is...
 
poidog said:
Then why are you defending your claim that CF lighting is adequate if you have no knoledge to back it up.
Click to expand...

He didn't claim that.

He simply said that if the OP has been keeping the clam successfully, then why are you telling him that he must change it.

What if he has the clam at the top of the tank 3" from the PC. The light level would be high enough to keep a clam, even a maxima under PCs.

Just trying to make sure that what people are saying is not mis-represented.
 
poidog said:
Then why are you defending your claim that CF lighting is adequate if you have no knoledge to back it up. I am speaking from experience and all of the numerous experience from people in this hobby. I love this quote "Clams do require strong light of the proper spectrum. Just cause the light lights doesn't mean the full spectrum is still there."

Do a google search on lighting for clams, and there are a ton of information out there backing my claim.

I am concearned with all the animals in the OPs tank, and yes water queality is the #1 issue here. However, the OP has given information on another issue, the clam, and we are trying our best to give the best possible advice for the OP and ALL of his livestock.
Click to expand...

Please read post above this post of mine. Think it clears this up. You can not however say for a fact that PC lighing is not adequate for a clam emless you have actually set up a scientific expermeint to determine that PC lighting is not adequate lighting. Just saying (It's the scientist in me). I do not disagree with you though.
 
jcarlilesiu said:
He didn't claim that.

He simply said that if the OP has been keeping the clam successfully, then why are you telling him that he must change it.

What if he has the clam at the top of the tank 3" from the PC. The light level would be high enough to keep a clam, even a maxima.
Click to expand...

Thank you. I am not claiming anything. LOL

This is how scientist get around stuff, by stating what they observe and then not claiming any facts or truth but only stating what they observed and their results. Kind of funny.

If he is unable to afford new lighting and is concerned about the clams health then yes moving it towards the top of the tank is a great suggestion; or like said before moving it out of the tank all together. But this is his discion to make not mine. I am only offering advice, not holding a gun to your head. LOL
 
Logan 12 said:
Please read post above this post of mine. Think it clears this up. You can not however say for a fact that PC lighing is not adequate for a clam emless you have actually set up a scientific expermeint to determine that PC lighting is not adequate lighting. Just saying (It's the scientist in me). I do not disagree with you though.
Click to expand...

I don't have to run my own experiement, and kill a clam, when the knowledge and inforamation for requirements of a healthy animal has already been made available.

Here is some good information:
http://reefcentral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1072234

If a T. Maxima clam does thrive under PC lighting, then it is an exception rather than a standard.
 
poidog said:
I don't have to run my own experiement, and kill a clam, when the knowledge and inforamation for requirements of a healthy animal has already been made available.

Here is some good information:
http://reefcentral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1072234

If a T. Maxima clam does thrive under PC lighting, then it is an exception rather than a standard.
Click to expand...

Exsactly, it is excepted and not a fact. That is what I was trying to get you to see. That being only excepted as many ideas are they are not proven, therefor it is not a proven fact that a clam can not be grown under PC lighting only excepted that it can't.

Once agian not disagreeing with you, I also would not want to kill a bunch of clams to see if this could be proven true or not. Emless ORA is going to donate a bunch of propagated clams to me and the goverment is going to give me a grant to run the experiment out of a lab, but thats not going to happen. Would be an awesome job though.

You do realize that in a weird way you are backing my argument and destroying yours. From a scientific stand point.
 
No, I gave it to you so you'd get off the "scientist" soap box :)

Do you research on what is out there and published. PC lighting is not a long term success for keeping certian species of Tridacnid clams healthy period.

Again, "Clams do require strong light of the proper spectrum. Just cause the light lights doesn't mean the full spectrum is still there." PC lighting simply cannot give a T. Mamixa the lighting requrements it needs no matter how high up you place it.

But lets be done with the clam debate, I believe we have all made our point. Lets wait to see what the OP has decided to do.
 
poidog said:
No, I gave it to you so you'd get off the "scientist" soap box :)

Do you research on what is out there and published. PC lighting is not a long term success for keeping certian species of Tridacnid clams healthy period.

Again, "Clams do require strong light of the proper spectrum. Just cause the light lights doesn't mean the full spectrum is still there." PC lighting simply cannot give a T. Mamixa the lighting requrements it needs no matter how high up you place it.

But lets be done with the clam debate, I believe we have all made our point. Lets wait to see what the OP has decided to do.
Click to expand...

Oh I see, so you get the last word and now you want to end the debate. I am still right, you did not offer anything on your side except, do some research. You can however never state the FACT that clams can not be kept under PC's, thats my point. Look here science runs this world if you like it or not. You obviously don't understand that I am agreeing with you. Yes I am agreeing with you and you are backing my point that the idea clams can not be kept under PC lighing is excepted not a proving fact.

I will never back down because I am right, If you want I can get a bio proffesor from a university to back everything I am saying without he or she knowing anything about reef tanks and required lighting because you don't have to know anything to see that there is no scientific data out there proving that clams can not be kept in a reef aquarium under PC lighting as a fact. Only suggestion they can not. YOUR WRONG here. I am still agreeing with you though as it is excepted not factual.
 
Oh I see.....

I get it now.......

You are a moderator.....

So whats next lock the thread up, kick me off the site????

Going to pull an RC, thought this site was not going to be like Reef Central. Can't ever argue a point when I'm right. Whatever............
 
Being argumentative will not get you anywhere. A respectful and healthy debate is always welcomed! It has nothing to do with the last word, this thread has now gone off topic and my attempt to re-stear it back on track was ignored.

You have stated your opion and you have heard mine. If you want to continue the debate, PM more or start up a new thread discussing the lighting requirements for healthy clams.

You also, have posted no factual evidence (that you are claiming runs this world as a scientist) that PC lighting will work for the long term health and success of the clam in question.

Again, lets hear back from the OP first. I would hate to have to shut down the thread.

thanks!
 
@Logan 12......Relax guy,Eric is offering good advise,it's not meant as and end all be all answer.I agree with what eric says,it would be alot smarter to research before you buy anything to make sure you have the correct environment for what you want to purchase that's all.This site is nothing like reefcentral,so take it easy with that.
 
Logan 12 said:
Oh I see.....

I get it now.......

You are a moderator.....

So whats next lock the thread up, kick me off the site????

Going to pull an RC, thought this site was not going to be like Reef Central. Can't ever argue a point when I'm right. Whatever............
Click to expand...

gettin hostile in here
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top