mlreef 450 gallon mixed reef build

Thank you for providing this great video, but nowhere in it says that this kind of filter doesn't produce nitrates, just that is used to purify waste water, which normally means removing toxic substances like ammonia and nitrites to make water safe to use and drink. That does not mean this water is ideal for reef tanks, especially corals. Also tumbling the media removes dead bacteria that is cause of ammonia not nitrate. If you further research nitrogen cycle in reef aquarium, you will see that nitrates are not produced by dying organic stuff but ammonia is. Therefore bacteria strain develops on surface and consumes ammonia and convert it in to still toxic nitrite. Another bacteria strain again living on surface and needing oxygen consumes nitritie and convert it to nitrate which is not toxic to people and fish unless in very high levels ( test you drinking water, there is a lot NO3 in it ). This K1 media is an excellent place for those two kind of bacteria to grow on it, but... to break down nitrates to harmless nitrogen gas another strain is needed that lives in low oxygen levels areas ( anaerobic), like deep sand bed and inside LR. It is not present on surfaces. K1 media doesn't offer this kind of area for this bacteria, therefore IMO that's where this whole process stops. This kind of filter is great for reducing ammonia and nitrite, but I question its ability to remove nitrates that are produced by nitrite consuming bacteria. I am not here to argue, but I have conserns over effectiveness of this media in REEF tanks. As you see, this been around for a while now, and for some reason it did not found its way in to our hobby. ( I wonder why ). It is great that Mike is using this, so we can learn more from his experience and hopefully it works, but mine concern is based on scientific fact of nitrogen cycle in saltwater, and I wouldn't just blindly believe it solves our problems in REEF tanks. I will be waiting for more updates from you Mike, and hope that this really works. After all we want what's best for our little piece of ocean, right?

Mark, I will start posting my water parameters every 10 days, that way we can all see what the effects are of the kaldnes. Please keep in mind that I still have approximately 200lbs of Tonga branch and another 30 lbs of shelf rock in the refugium. I know that I'm kind of leading the way here with the kaldnes on CR but I figure it is definitely worth a try. If it ends up working really well I will share my experience with everyone here. If it doesn't work out then I can always remove it and have a huge live rock section of my sump.


If I understand the technology correctly, the media is only used to provide a home for nitrifying bacteria. Ammonia consumption will still only be handled by the bacteria. Due to the increased amount of surface area for the bacteria, the tank waste will be able to be consumed by the bacteria more quickly and then turned into waste that we would be removing from our tanks with partial water change, GFO and carbon as usual (traditional methods). The K1 is basically serving as your live rock, reducing the amount of rock needed in your setup. Since you can take out rock, you increase water volume for the system which is exactly why I am interested in this stuff. I have a chamber or rubble that I would like to empty out.

Walt, you have stated my original intentions exactly, and that was to reduce the total amount of rock needed and increase water volume. I like the look of a sleeker display tank. I'm hoping that my system works effectively for years to come.


Believe me Walt I hope it works as advertised, but the problem I see is it will not replace LR completely, because LR is porous and deep in live rock anaerobic bacteria brake down NO3, K1 media provides only surface for aerobic bacteria and not anaerobic that is needed. Maybe my thinking is flowed, that is why is great to learn from others.I am not saying I am right, just voicing my concerns.

Mark, I appreciate your concerns and I share some of the same concerns that you have about the cycle. Like I said before I will post water parameters every 10 days, that way we can all watch.
 
Great Mike, I am very interested in seeing results. If it works I will be definitely trying this method too.
 
I'm doing my first public rounds of water tests this evening. I will be doing 150 gallon water changes every month to keep a consistent base line.

Is there anything else that anyone might be interested in?
 
I'm doing my first public rounds of water tests this evening. I will be doing 150 gallon water changes every month to keep a consistent base line.

Is there anything else that anyone might be interested in?

150 gal wc!!!! Whoa
 
150 gal wc!!!! Whoa

Wow Mike, that's like changing my whole system.

150 gallons is less than 25% of a water change.

Anyway it is super easy to do. I have my 165 gallon vatt filled to 150 gallons of RODI water, then I dump an entire box of salt in. I then turn on the Mag pump over night to mix the salt. Next day I connect my 3/4" to the drain on the main tank and simply turn a valve and drain 150 gallons. Then I use that same hose and connect it on to my Mag 18 from the vatt and fill the tank up. Whole thing take less than 30 minutes.

It really is quite simple.
 
Yeah understood... Just lots of h2o and salt.. $$$$ but I guess when u got it .. U got it!!! Lol =)

Look who talking..lol

**** Mike that's my tank and the nano too. Lol What test kit are you going with?


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Look who talking..lol

**** Mike that's my tank and the nano too. Lol What test kit are you going with?


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I plan on using a API Reef Master Liquid Test Kit. If any suggests using a different test kit please let me know.
 
Hi Mike,any updates? Love to see some pictures. How is the K1 media working for you?

Hi Mark!

The K1 is doing great! I have included some action shots for the forums viewing pleasure.

Date PH Temp Salinity Calcium Phosphate Ammonia Nitrite Nitrate
12/10/2012 8.1 76.3 1.021 370 0 <.1ppm 0 ppm 0 ppm
12/20/2012 8 76.3 1.016 370 0 <.1ppm 0 ppm 0 ppm
12/30/2012 8.1 76.5 1.012 360 0 <.1ppm 0 ppm 0 ppm
1/10/2013 8.1 76.3 1.012 360 0 <.1ppm 0 ppm 0 ppm

I plan on running hyposalinity for a full 8-10 weeks as a precaution before I add any corals or inverts. I'm very happy thus far with the Kaldnes. I have been adding approximately a liter every week of new media. It takes a while for it to age, approximately 8 weeks or so.

I've added some new fish the last couple of weeks which include an Achilles Tang, Floweri Tang, Purple Tang, Vlamingi Tang and a Gold Flake Angel. Here are some pictures.

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Kaldness or not, with all of those tangs, algae isn't going to grow.


Awesome looking tank, but why the pre-invert hypo?
 
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